Tien vs Goten

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Tien vs Goten
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 26 2009, 07:40 PM (3,904 Views)
Sam	Jul 27 2009, 07:55 PM Post #16
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	Nothing Jul 27 2009, 06:37 PM I agree with most of the guys here that are saying that Tien would win this one. He has much more experience and much bigger arsenal of techniques. And if he uses his Tri-Beam...omg...Goten could even get killed(maybe). Btw someone said that Tien damaged Semi Cell with Tri-Beam. Tien's Tri-Beam did NOT damage Semi Cell, it only pushed him back a little. Tien fired that thing a dozen times, and Semi Cell didn't even have a scratch. Tri-beam may be considered a strong attack in DB, but in DBZ it is just left in the dust by other far more powerful attacks such as Goku's or Gohan's kamehameha waves, or Vegeta's Big bang and Final flash attacks, or Piccolo's SBC and Masenko wave. ...? The Ki-Ko-Ho did damage Cell a little. In the manga [canon], when Semi-Perfect Cell emerged from the pit he was blasted in, he had wounds on his body. The Ki-Ko-Ho is stronger than the Kamehameha or many other attacks.
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Zeepwhat	Aug 26 2009, 04:29 AM Post #17
Posts: 27 Group: Member Member #4,415 Joined: August 26, 2009 What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	If Goten already knows how to go SSJ but is not allowed to use it I think that he'd have more of a chance but still Tien would win. Goten has been my all time favorite DBZ character Edited by Zeepwhat, Aug 26 2009, 04:30 AM.
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rob	Aug 26 2009, 01:49 PM Post #18
Posts: 203 Group: Member Member #4,195 Joined: May 15, 2009 Favourite Anime dragonball, dragonball z	NeciFiX Jul 27 2009, 07:55 PM The Ki-Ko-Ho is stronger than the Kamehameha or many other attacks. do you mean if goku could use the tri beam it would be stronger than goku's kamehameha? or tien's tri beam is stronger than goku's kamehameha. because i dont think tien's attack could be stronger than one of goku or vegeta's most powerful attacks.



Porunga	Aug 26 2009, 02:36 PM Post #19
Posts: 11 Group: New Member Member #4,413 Joined: August 25, 2009 Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I don't think people give Goten enough credit. Tien is strong, but Goten has the will of a saiyan. Even without the help of SS Goten can still take Tien but it would be an interesting fight.



+ Rebel X	Aug 26 2009, 04:52 PM Post #20
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Porunga Aug 26 2009, 02:36 PM I don't think people give Goten enough credit. Tien is strong, but Goten has the will of a saiyan. Even without the help of SS Goten can still take Tien but it would be an interesting fight. As amazing as Gotens will could be it's no match against Tien, in my opinion. Tien has will power and real skills too. He's been training martial arts as long as Goku has so he's not only strong in a fight but he's pretty smart about what he does. I know it was only a movie but it if you go back and look at the fight between Future Trunks and Tien in the Bojack Movie you can see they're pretty even until Trunks goes Super. Trunks has some major experience in fighting as well, maybe he didn't study as much as Tien but he's been through enough to know some things from experience. I think Tien would win this pretty easily if Goten wasn't going Super. I'm not saying Tien would make one move and the battles over but I think overall Tien would be smart about the way he fights. Overall he can take care of himself.



* Psyam	Aug 28 2009, 06:49 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Nothing Jul 27 2009, 07:06 PM Tri Beam ain't that powerful. It did no damage to Cell at all,it only pushed him back into the hole ,and I think Cell was so agitated and angry that he wasn't thinking. He just kept going up at Tien's attack like a little kid. He was to stubborn, if he only used his Ki attack, then Tien wold paying King Yama a visit. EDIT- Personally i like Tri Beam attack it looks cool, but u guys are giving it too much credit for that little stunt it pulled. I'd just like to say that, in Dragonball, Master Roshi himself admitted that the Tri-Beam attack was a far more powerful technique then the Kamehameha. Goku's Kamehameha might be more powerful then Tien's Tri-Beam attack later in the story, but if Goku was to actually use the Tri-Beam, it would be much more powerful then his Kamehameha. As for the topic battle, I agree with the last post by Rebel X. Tien has been training for a long, long time, and he has shown himself to be a very capable warrior. Goten was gifted with the ability to become a Super Saiyan from a young age, but that doesn't make his base form strong.



Nothing	Aug 31 2009, 02:17 AM Post #22
Posts: 153 Group: Member Member #4,026 Joined: March 13, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	Psyam Aug 28 2009, 06:49 AM Nothing Jul 27 2009, 07:06 PM Tri Beam ain't that powerful. It did no damage to Cell at all,it only pushed him back into the hole ,and I think Cell was so agitated and angry that he wasn't thinking. He just kept going up at Tien's attack like a little kid. He was to stubborn, if he only used his Ki attack, then Tien wold paying King Yama a visit. EDIT- Personally i like Tri Beam attack it looks cool, but u guys are giving it too much credit for that little stunt it pulled. I'd just like to say that, in Dragonball, Master Roshi himself admitted that the Tri-Beam attack was a far more powerful technique then the Kamehameha. Goku's Kamehameha might be more powerful then Tien's Tri-Beam attack later in the story, but if Goku was to actually use the Tri-Beam, it would be much more powerful then his Kamehameha. As for the topic battle, I agree with the last post by Rebel X. Tien has been training for a long, long time, and he has shown himself to be a very capable warrior. Goten was gifted with the ability to become a Super Saiyan from a young age, but that doesn't make his base form strong. Yeah...Tri-Beam would probably be more powerful if fired from Goku's hands I agree, but i doubt it could over power Goku's Kamehame wave. Even if Master Roshi said that Tri-Beam is superior, Goku has improved the Kamehame wave over the years, making it far more deadlier. Edit - Tri-Beam could never destroy a planet, while Kamehame wave can. Actually in battle against Cell we saw couple of times a planet-destroying Kamehame wave being fired either by Cell or by Goku or Gohan. Edited by Nothing, Aug 31 2009, 02:21 AM.



* Psyam	Aug 31 2009, 04:42 AM Post #23
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	I was just replying to you saying people were overestimaing the Tri-Beam. It's the second most powerful attack in the series, only behind the Spirit Bomb. Yes, Goku's Kamehameha is stronger then Tien's Tri-Beam, but only because Goku is much stronger. If Tien was equal to Goku's power, the Tri-Beam would be much stronger then Goku's Kamehameha. Anyway, If Goten got hit with Tien's Tri-Beam in his base form, he would die. Goku and Tien were equal when they fought in Dragonball, but the Tri-Beam would of killed Goku if it had hit. That's why Tien told him it was coming, so Goku would instead jump out of the ring and lose. I doubt Goten's SSJ form even measures up to Android 17 or 18, and this is base we're talking about. No contest, Tien wins.



Temphis	Aug 31 2009, 02:12 PM Post #24
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	this fight is more about martial arts and technique than any other factor, in which case Tien takes the cake, most likely would if he were to fight Goten and Trunks simultaniously, cause thats totally realistic: two kid martial artists, trained by Chi Chi and some sparing with their dads when they had time, no older than 12, verses a 40 year old + martial artist expert that puts the worlds blackbelts to shame. hmmmmm, I wonder. even with Sayian streangth, theyre martial arts are nothing to his shaolin, and he could really brutalize them if he wanted to, but I don't think it would come to that, since they are friends and it would just be a sparing match or something. the whole "Super" forms that sayians have, are just lame in my oppenion in terms of power. if they were hard to hold, and other characters could learn their own useful techniques that put them up to par with a Super Sayian, then I think Super Sayian forms would have seemed more unique and awesome, but instead they are just a way to make the main character and all related to him surpass all others.



Super Goku	Sep 1 2009, 01:27 AM Post #25
Vizard Jinchurikii Posts: 966 Group: Member Member #4,266 Joined: June 26, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Naruto	the tri-beam pulls energy from the users life force thats a LOT of energy. LOTS AND LOTS but tien didnt have much, so he couldnt stop cell but he could definitely burn up goten gotens kamehameha would fail miserably vs. a ki-ko-ho.
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ThePRPD	Sep 1 2009, 11:17 AM Post #26
Posts: 25 Group: Member Member #4,435 Joined: September 1, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Neon Genesis Evangelion What Browser do you use? Firefox	It could be a pretty good match. Tien is stronger than Goten's base form. Goten is like Goku when he was a kid, maybe... Goten might be a little bit weaker or stronger then Goku when he was a kid, King Piccolo era. Even if Goten went Super Sayain the fight could either be evenly matched or Tien might still be stronger or Goten could be stronger in his SS state. Even if that was the case Tien could still use DB era techniques on SS Goten.



rob	Sep 1 2009, 12:59 PM Post #27
Posts: 203 Group: Member Member #4,195 Joined: May 15, 2009 Favourite Anime dragonball, dragonball z	ThePRPD Sep 1 2009, 11:17 AM Goten is like Goku when he was a kid, maybe... Goten might be a little bit weaker or stronger then Goku when he was a kid, King Piccolo era. Even if that was the case Tien could still use DB era techniques on SS Goten. obviously goten is stronger than goku was when he was a kid, otherwise he would not have been able to transform into a super sayian. everyone uses db era techniques in dbz its where they all come from, the kamehameha, tri-beam, and solarflare, there are many more but thats where the original moves were introduced and they would not just forget them.



gohantenku	Sep 9 2009, 02:29 PM Post #28
Posts: 7 Group: New Member Member #4,458 Joined: September 9, 2009 Favourite Anime Anything but DB-DBGT sucks. What Browser do you use? Safari FTW	Goten would have a good start I think, but Tien would make a great finsh. Psyam Aug 28 2009, 06:49 AM Nothing Jul 27 2009, 07:06 PM Tri Beam ain't that powerful. It did no damage to Cell at all,it only pushed him back into the hole ,and I think Cell was so agitated and angry that he wasn't thinking. He just kept going up at Tien's attack like a little kid. He was to stubborn, if he only used his Ki attack, then Tien wold paying King Yama a visit. You gotta relize though that Tien was no match for Cell. If he were as strong as let say any of the Sayians SSJ1, it would of servely damaged him. Edited by gohantenku, Sep 9 2009, 02:31 PM.



Driftking102	Sep 11 2009, 11:06 PM Post #29
Posts: 65 Group: Member Member #3,032 Joined: December 24, 2007	Even at their normal form stronger saiyans like Goten are no match for Tien. No matter how strong Tien is, he could not even defeat Goku when he was a kid a second time around. I do not think that Tien could ever defeat Goten who was stronger then Goku as a kid.
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cmay119	Oct 9 2009, 05:04 AM Post #30
Posts: 14 Group: New Member Member #4,511 Joined: October 9, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome / Firefox 3.0	Tien just for the fact that he has the tri-beam attack. Makes me really wonder about that move. Holding Semi-Perfect Cell in that crater until Tien ran out of energy. The tri-beam has to be the most powerful Ki-move in the series besides maybe the Spirit Bomb. Just on the basis of Power level vs. Power level... EDIT: I don't want to downplay Tien like that though. Tien is a better trained and more experience fighter than Goten. Tien's power level at the end of DBZ has got to be competitive with a base level Super Saiyan (maybe not AS powerful, but formidable), along with good strategy Tien could take down Goten. I think this would honestly be a battle of 'who want's this victory more'. In that sense, Tien has got some pride that he wants to hold onto. Losing to a child is definitely not in the cards when it comes to that (Whether it be Goku's son or not). EDIT #2: Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but Tien still has the Kaio-Ken attack to work with if it came down to a match with Goten if he happened to go Super Saiyan on Tien (I know he's supposed to stay at base-level, but I'm just kinda playing this battle out in my head right now). I don't know if Tien even mastered that move, but it looked like he used the Kaio-Ken attack against Jeice & Burter when they were fighting on King Kai's planet during the Freeza Saga (He never says 'Kaio-Ken' though so I can definitely be wrong on this). Edited by cmay119, Oct 9 2009, 05:20 AM.



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